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A resounding “Meh.”
surreality, chameleons in space!, space
So it’s the anniversary of the moon landings. Am I the only one who’s reaction is firstly “meh,” and secondly, “well, bloody lot we’ve managed to do since then, isn’t it?”

Am I supposed to be impressed that we hit the moon in 1969 and have done jack all to get us into space since? It’s actually rather depressing.

Less sardonically facetious, I’m not all that about the landing’s anniversary, but I do look around at current efforts and have to feel like we’re in a much less imaginative age. We’re making great strides with electronics and communications technology here on Earth, and that’s cool and stuff, but it won’t do us much good when we overcrowd the planet. We’re way behind the curve for getting into space. China has a space program now, to get out there and off the planet, and I’m pleased—someone needs to do it. Bush has the imagination and vision of a spirochete when you put him beside Kennedy, and the Democrats are trying to ape him and the Republicans so much that it’s laughable that NASA will ever regain the peak that they reached with Apollo 11.

A resounding “Meh.”

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"...it won’t do us much good when we overcrowd the planet. We’re way behind the curve for getting into space."

Dude. Even skipping over the 'when' in 'when we overcrowd the planet'... are you suggesting that when we hit whatever number an 'overcrowded' planet is, that we just ship the excess birthrate into space?


Well, substitute "overcrowd the planet" with "lose the statistical lottery on dinosaur-killer asteroid impacts and all die" if that's a more compelling argument with fewer objectionable side implications.

Either way, the essence is that I don't think an intelligent species is viable if it never leaves the cradle of birth. Maybe I'm just channelling my selfish genes, though.

I have to agree with the greenlady here ... shipping excess population of the rock seems like it would be a waste of energy.

that said, having the ability for the precious thing that is mankind to exist in more than one place sounds good to me, but how about we just ship a few over there and let them breed.

Trust me, they will enjoy breeding. I have been practicing the first part for years!

Yes, I know how you feel. I grew up reading Heinlein, Clarke and Asimov so I was infused in my youth with a sense that a future in space wasn't too far away and that it was accessible to me in my lifetime. Obviously, I have been disappointed with how things have gone. The only way I am getting into space is if I save up a load of money and have my ashes launched.

I also grew up with the idea that mankind would spread all across the solar system, then the galaxy, heroically overcoming all obstacles to rule the universe! Boahahahaha *cough* *cough*


I grew up on that era of sci-fi, too, in a word where man-and-tech-vs-environment, man-vs-conservatism, or man-vs-Christianity were really the only plot conflicts available. Seems easier, really.

Today on the buss, some guy sat down beside a woman and her child, who was playing with a cellphone, and said: is that cellphone on? They're very dangerous, the radiation they emit is bad for children, you know. I'm not trying to be nosy, but I'm worried about it.

China has a space program now, to get out there and off the planet, and I’m pleased—someone needs to do it.

Of course. But why be bitter about the US's failures to pursue space travel and colonization further? Do you really want that kind of technology, that kind of power, in the hands of the US government?

OK, not that we exactly want it in the hands of the Government of China either. Hard to say which is worse.

Whether China, the US, or any other nation with sufficient industry and technology to support a significant space program... I dunno, is it really "us" who are reaching for space, or is it some exclusionary "them" that has no intentions of using the technologies for the good of the human race as a whole?

Space. Ship. One.

Don't depend on the repugnatcains for anything! We're gonna get there the way we always should have. All you have to do is tell someone about the gold in the Asteroids and private industry will be up there before you can say the entire Remeberances of things past backwards in Sandsrcit (I'm trying to be realistic here)

Might be explotive, but it'll get us there.

Will it get "us" there? Or will it get "them" there? Who is "us"?

Call me paranoid, but I can't help but think that the common folk are not going to be coming along on this trip before the planet is completely sucked dry.

I don't think it says anything about our species. I think it says something about thermodynamics. It's pointless to send people out there. Maybe you could dodge a comet but as yet we know of no technology that can make an off-planet colony completely autonomous. Maybe even no conceivable technology.

For some reason your comment makes me think about the space elevator in the Red Mars books.

And another thing... if you had technology to autonomously colonize a totally dead, chemically hostile planet, you'd never need to dodge the comet strike!

No matter how badly a comet fucks up our biosphere, we would still have a useful atmosphere, plenty of water, and a mix of useful minerals.

Hey, you. Could you do two things for me-- email me your phone number, using the email I should use for you? I lost yours when the phone died, and I just got a thing via vanpermaculture you may find interesting.


Dude, this is a great line:

Bush has the imagination and vision of a spirochete.

Because it's just so damn TRUE.

Re: Dude, this is a great line:

Isn't it, though? I looked up the definition after writing it and thought, "damn, that's appropriate."

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